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  Issues with the File Mirroring process UPDATED - Miscellaneous
  Posted by: Hfx-Rebel on 09-17-2009 @ 14:45
This News Item has been viewed 385,950 times
Update.
Please submit files in the normal way now as we are able to add your files.

- The Network Staff


Hi all, we seem to be having an issue (on our end) with mirroring your file submissions, although everything that you, the developer, is required to do is not effected, what we, the Network Staff have to do to get your file mirrored to the site is. This only effects files that were sent in within the last three days.

We are working hard to get this resolved, but until we do, we would like you to submit your files to the team email belonging to the site...generally the email would be: team@xxxfiles.com Feel free to IM, email or go through the FileFront Forums to contact the site staff for the team email addy. As soon as this issue is resolved, we will let you know!!

If you have any questions, feel free to ask. We thank you for your patience and hope to have this cleared up ASAP!

- The Network Staff



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 #1 - 09-17-2009 at 15:17
acidfluxxbass
From: (Portsmouth)
Joined: August 16th, 2007
Posts: 1627
<i>another</i> issue???????

 #2 - 09-17-2009 at 15:29
IKS_Yo_Mama
From: (New York City)
Joined: February 5th, 2005
Posts: 3497
frown It is frustrating

 #3 - 09-17-2009 at 15:33
DarthNarga
From: (St. Louis, MO)
Joined: June 25th, 2009
Posts: 604
Yeah. My file got rejected. The name, but the ReadMe too. Woops. Roll Eyes (sarcastic)

 #4 - 09-17-2009 at 18:39
tj_hawk
From:
Joined: March 3rd, 2008
Posts: 415
my only suggestion is to in case you file cannot for some reason be uploaded, rename the file and try uploading it again.

 #5 - No, thats not acceptable - 09-17-2009 at 19:07
Hfx-Rebel (Staff)
From: (Nova Scotia)
Joined: April 19th, 2003
Posts: 765
Lets try to stick with my suggestion and not clog the file sites with duplicate submissions of different names...this is not a request.

Quote:
We are working hard to get this resolved, but until we do, we would like you to submit your files to the team email belonging to the site...generally the email would be: team@xxxfiles.com Feel free to IM, email or go through the FileFront Forums to contact the site staff for the team email addy.

 #6 - 09-17-2009 at 19:51
IKS_Yo_Mama
From: (New York City)
Joined: February 5th, 2005
Posts: 3497
Duane, I have alot of respect for you and we have been on good terms for a long time - I spent alot of time on Filefront down through the years and love this place, but in my honest opinion what's not acceptable is the fact that the polls and voting have been broke for weeks and there is a tech team who get paid to maintain the network sites but are unable to do so for whatever reason. Now the Upload system is broken and probably will stay like that for a few weeks. I am not trying to get banned or become enemies with anyone here and I know you are not to blame but the simple fact of the matter is and this is only my opinion, not anyone else's opinion, that Filefront has been on a downward spiral since Jos left, and without Ronnie it really doesn't stand much of a chance of regaining it's past glory. Now I am sure someone will edit it what I just said because it might hit a nerve but this downtime that has gone on for weeks has been beyond ridiculous. Filefront is going down the gutter and behind the curtain in the private forums all the staff do, is give their lofty unwarranted opinions, they spend more time on the forums talking out through their collective ars*holes then they do actually doing work on the network. People who don't deserve promotions get promotions - we need to return to the old days

 #7 - 09-17-2009 at 20:13
thunderfoot007
Joined: January 30th, 2009
Posts: 102
Oh yay. More stuff which used to work and is now broken. Just once, I'd really enjoy reading one of these where someone somewhere actually repaired something.

 #8 - @6 - 09-17-2009 at 20:13
Maveritchell (Staff)
From:
Joined: July 14th, 2007
Posts: 1092
Bit of an insult to those of us who work hard on our sites, hmm?

 #9 - Whoa... - 09-17-2009 at 20:35
dretzel
From: (PA)
Joined: October 22nd, 2008
Posts: 156
IKS, some of the things you said simply aren't true...and apparently you were gone before some things were brought out. You have no idea how wrong some of your statements are... frown

I agree about the broken voting system being a problem, but it was explained to the staff and I for one accept it. Some progress was made on it, but it still isn't up 100% yet. Things happen, and when life bites you in the rear and then takes your help away, you can't do anything about it.

 #10 - 09-17-2009 at 20:38
IKS_Yo_Mama
From: (New York City)
Joined: February 5th, 2005
Posts: 3497
#8, just my opinion but it has alot of truth to it.

 #11 - 09-17-2009 at 20:59
Chrissstrahl
From: (Ulm)
Joined: October 29th, 2006
Posts: 1019
Filefront is broken for month now and it is killing the communities and the network, just in case YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED!

It doesn't matter who or what is responsible, get the systems to work which serve the users pleasure first and then you can make the site in pink or what every you are doing!

I dono how big your network is but IT CANT BE that big that it takes MONTHS to do simple things a good programmer can fix in a few days all by his own!
If you don't have the ppl, then ask for help, I dono what the heck you are doing but if you work with e107 which is php based, NO PHP CODE CAN BE SO COMPLEX to make a team working on it for MONTHS to fix it when it worked before prefectly!

Even if you have data base issues you should have them fixed by now, unless your team is absolute not suited for this job, which I suspect since the failure series started.

I'll keep on waiting and watching, but I'm afraid others have given up the hope already,as I will some day if that does not come to a happy end!

I'm not angry or upset I'm just very very very disappointed that everything brakes and the concept of the community sites is slowly rendered death!

 #12 - 09-17-2009 at 21:40
Arron_Dominion
Joined: May 18th, 2005
Posts: 454
TBH, the issues seem worse now than they were when they first popped up. Hope they get fixed. Until then, I have started using ModDB for my content due to the issues here.

 #13 - 09-18-2009 at 00:01
Intrepid781
From: (Worthington, In)
Joined: September 25th, 2005
Posts: 304
Yeah whats up with everything breaking anyway? Before the changeover the site worked great, and now the site looks just like it did before, yet everything is broken. Regardless I hope its fixed soon..

 #14 - 09-18-2009 at 02:09
Bad_Motha
From: (Baltimore, MD)
Joined: May 8th, 2008
Posts: 176
If your mod is unique, then a unique filename should be easy to come up with.
Due to how some websites take in files, you filenames should include underscore where ever you want a space to be, i.e. "stalker_clearsky_mod_v1_20.rar"

I put a _ between 1.20 instead of a period because some websites don't like that, some are setup to think that anything after a period is the file extension. It all depends on the server.

So please just take the time to consider a unique file name before you upload. Have all your README info ready before hand. Proof-read you own material then let a friend or someone who may not even know any of the lingo you're using read over it and give you feedback. Some of you modders do very well and have no reason to go through any of this, some others folks, well you need to work on your skills as your files within your download are disorganized at best. Also within your download please include a README that is actually helpful. The little amount of time it takes to make one that tells people how to properly install your mod, etc... can save both the fans and you headache and ongoing questions.

If you are to include pictures in your download, please keep them small in size. Use JPEG form, and if you have a lot to show, like different guns, etc. Try to narrow down a bunch of pictures to just a few really good ones, or a single large picture that has been edited/made to reflect a collage or pictures, all in a single picture. This saves alot of space in your overall upload size.

If you're uploading a MOD, please be sure that the folders and files within the mod are arranged correctly and spelled correctly so the fan doesn't have to do a ton of work that you, the modder should've done yourself.

 #15 - 09-18-2009 at 02:57
Digz (Staff)
From: (London)
Joined: March 26th, 2006
Posts: 1090
All these problems are killing CoDFiles, LotRFiles and SupCom Files, I've had sooo many submissions for WC3 Files which we never really used to have, and guess what, I've had to reject them.

This is no backlash on my part, I'm just saying to members, you have a right to be angry, but it's hurting us, the staff, much much more to see our communities flock away. Just please try and be patient, I know it's annoying but it's all we can really do.

 #16 - @ # 15 - 09-18-2009 at 03:47
thunderfoot007
Joined: January 30th, 2009
Posts: 102
Hey, Digz!. Haven't we, the members, been more than patient enough already? The overhaul and upgrade was going to cause some problems. I acepted that and was prepared to deal with the minor little annoying things which come up whenever such overhauls and uprgades are put in place. No one can forsee everything. No one can anticipate coding errors and conflicts on a project such as this. But no one with the Staff or Network addon (which so many are so quick to wave about whenever someone posts something they find unsettling) behind their username has seemed to able to do anything at all about all of the things which are now considered to be normal around here. How about a little less posting about problems on the network and a little less public chastising of those of us with legitmate concerns and a little more work on the numerous problems FF has grown? If Staff and network wants all of the bellyaching and complaining to stop? I know of nothing will effect this faster than...Fully Repairing FF. GASP! What a radical concept that is! A member actually wants FF to work as advertised! Is he crazy? The very nerve of a member to be so brazen is unfathomable! FF is beginning to run out time with a lot of members whom have already run out of patience with the lack of concern by Network and Staff about why so manyy things no longer work as advertised. And before anyone else wearing a Staff or Network badge piles onto IKS, I think you're upset because he is simply speaking the truth as he sees it. He has an insider's perspective on this. Further, IIRC, most of the changes were supposed be on the back end of the system which members never use or see. To recap.

1) IKS was correct in all areas. After all, he was Staff around here for a long time. If current Staff and Network are upset by what he posted the shoe must fit very well.
2) Stop breaking stuff.
3) Stop making lots of public excuses about stuff which is broken.
4) Stop complaining publicly about people complaining publicly about stuff which is broke unless you've fixed it and no one has noticed.
5) Start repairing stuff which is broken right now.
6) Don't break new stuff.

I truly doubt anyone with the Staff or Network tag after their name will be able to resist chastising me about this Comment. Is this not time which could be better used by repairing FF. Little less chat and a lot more action would satisfy here.
I strongly suspect I am not the only FF member who sees things this either. Most of them are far too polite to associate with a thug like me.

 #17 - stop - 09-18-2009 at 03:53
lindalashomb
From: (n.y.)
Joined: October 16th, 2007
Posts: 29
If yous would stop complaining about the site maybe the team would have time to work on the problems instead of answering foolish questions.I for one think the team are doing a great job and I thank them for giving their time to keep this site running.Now stop complaining and be patient let them do their jobs.THANK YOU FILEFRONT STAFFbig grinBeer! Beer!

 #18 - 09-18-2009 at 04:19
Mikouen
From: (Hull)
Joined: July 18th, 2008
Posts: 219
IKS, for the record, it's Jos who's handling much of the tech work right now.


The system isn't e107 or any other CMS, it's homebrewed.


This file mirroring issue is not an issue at all. We are not halting the uploads of submitted files, as Duane quite clearly expressed.

The problem lies solely with the automated components of the system, which we are fully able to bypass manually. Only condition is that we need to possess a copy of the file in order to do that.

It's no different from how files used to be uploaded.


In fact, this error can probably be attributed entirely to the user uploads module being developed in a half-@$$ed manner to begin with.

You see, right around the time this problem started, is when seven new game sites were rendered into our backend. So my theory is that the problem was sparked by an incompatibility between the two, with the user uploads not properly accomodating the new site entries.

One would think that it makes it easier to resolve, but it actually doesn't, as the user uploads module and the rest of our system were developed by different groups of people. I'll let you guess which one was done by Ziff Davis techies.


Voting issue is not a PHP error, the poll and rating scripts are all working fine. The issue itself is still being diagnosed, because it came out of nowhere and seemingly has no logical cause, the last I was told. And I can believe it too, it's frickin' weird man.

Though frankly, if an inability to rate a file is enough to make someone abandon their community, they probably didn't give a stuff about the community to start with. As far as communities go I can think of *far* more important things.


thunderfoot, I'm not going to chastise you, but I'd just like to point out that while your numbered list may apply to a china shop, it's not half as simple as you think it is when applied to infrastructure development.

We can't [not break] something, when it is in fact the 'something' that's breaking itself. Software is like a baby. If you don't give it what it wants, it's going to keep crying and crying and crying, and the best you can do is keep trying until you figure out what it wants.

And honestly? The baby is much easier in that respect.

Also you seem to still believe that network staff do technical stuff. For accuracy;s sake I'd say a better representation of our role would be 'content management staff'.

Unfortunately the most senior thing we ever get to do is deciding to hire/fire new volunteers and/or ban people - we're not allowed to plan revolutions, stage military coups, conduct high-level espionage operations against foreign powers, use the microwave, or play with Furbies. You know. All the fun stuff.

 #19 - 09-18-2009 at 04:50
tj_hawk
From:
Joined: March 3rd, 2008
Posts: 415
@5 look i said what i said only because i've had issues where the files don't even exist in the FTP server. I always have to reject the files, have the developer rename the file and upload again and then upload it successfully.

now i'm not saying this is a issue when it comes to uploading files, but im not discouraging developers from uploading their work either. just at the moment here at Legacy Files, that's how i've been able to get other people's work uploaded onto the server without any issues of the files not existing on the FTP server.

 #20 - 09-18-2009 at 07:32
Digz (Staff)
From: (London)
Joined: March 26th, 2006
Posts: 1090
Basically, what Kouen said lol.

@Thunderfoot, I'm not making any excuses whatsoever, I know you have all been patient, there is little more I and the rest of the staff can ask of members. I did not disgree with what IKS said at all, if you read my post it doesn't go against anything that IKS has said. Yes he used to be staff and knows what's going on but certain things have changed since he left, so some of the things he is saying are correct, some are a little out of date but he has the right, like all other members to speak out. Some of us were upset about what IKS wrote, namely the two posters that posted just after him, but I'm not, I take everything in my stride, he is correct in some of the things he says, but I cannot nor can one person, speak for every single FileFront staff member, it's impossible.

Some people will take offence, some won't, that's life. If all the staff were so upset about his post, it'd be deleted by now and yes there is some element of truth, how much is up to every staff members personal interpretation of FileFronts situation, IKS has his own view, others have their own. And I thought it was clear in my first post that mostly all staff are upset that these fixes haven't been made yet.

But what you're saying is clear that you have no idea how much work us staff put into these sites, whenever we have free time, guess what, we're on the computer working for you, yes how sad. To sit here and say 'don't break things' is easier said then done. Suddenly if your graphics card burns out or fan stops working, can you really say to yourself 'right I'll try not to break that again' it just happens.

I'm not having a go at you, I'm just trying to make you realize that this network is just as important to you, as it is to us staff. To be honest, I'm sure that all the network staff are annoyed and running out of patience too, but we realise we need to be calm and try and help in every single way possible to get the sites out of this problem. And the best way to do that is to carry on as normal and try to work around the problems that we have currently.

Arguing and complaining is not the way forward, and not what the network needs right now, it needs action, and that's what the staff are trying to do, keep things as normal, and carry on posting, it's difficult due to recent issues but it's our job and we're still doing it.

I have never complained that members are complaining too much, you are entitled to complain, all I said was to be patient, not to stop posting altogether. Being patient and complaining that you're complaining are two different things, and I don't think you've got the gist of my first post at all, I was actually in agreement with IKS not against him and I acknowledged all of your posts about the network too.

 #21 - 09-18-2009 at 07:52
Chrissstrahl
From: (Ulm)
Joined: October 29th, 2006
Posts: 1019
So that means that braking apart series will come to an end soon ?
I mean when you know what the source of the problems could be you sure gona investigate and terminate like it's done with a patch. A Patch does just fix things to make em work without the need to make everything new, right ?
That would be something, and don't tell us you keep this for Christmas!

 #22 - What are you thinking? - 09-18-2009 at 09:00
StarkillerMarek
Joined: August 12th, 2009
Posts: 19
This is not a right for us to have FileFront, merely a luxury. If something comes up, so what? Let the staff do their job.

 #23 - 09-18-2009 at 09:02
Pille
From:
Joined: July 22nd, 2002
Posts: 1836
#21 You're not getting the idea at all. Like Digz tried to say, most of us older staffers are just as upset as the users are, but we are in no position to change it. It's funny though how the same people who would have complained about a lack of information during the Ziff Davis time now complain about us spending our time answering your questions.

To make one thing clear, we do have the "FileFront Network Staff" tag to our name, but it means we manage its content. When it comes to the sites we have a couple of options, but most of the things you see here are hardcoded and not even in the site manager's control to handle.

Unfortunately, fixing the sites and the backend is not nearly as easy as patching a game. We do not operate on one of those free CMS systems like e107 which you mentioned - and it is a good system, I use it a lot myself - but we use a completly home-made system. With money being short, we only have Jos to fix things around here, and he can't do more but spend all time available on performing these tasks.

I won't tell you to be patient or to stop complaining because as Digz pointed out you're completly entitled to doing this. Just, don't mistake us with a set of 100 technicans who are able to create miracles over night, we really can't do more than to answer your questions here.

 #24 - 09-18-2009 at 09:40
Chalkpit
From:
Joined: November 2nd, 2006
Posts: 100
I have a mod to submit, but I can't because of the mirroring issue. This I understand. The alternative to submitting a file, for me, is to upload the file to my File Front hosting page and send the link to team@mohfiles.com. Well I did that and I received a message saying that the file was not approved becuase it was never uploaded, to retry. Please instruct me on how you want us to sumbit our files. Thanks

 #25 - @10 - 09-18-2009 at 10:14
Maveritchell (Staff)
From:
Joined: July 14th, 2007
Posts: 1092
It is your opinion, of course, to which you are entitled. And, no doubt, there are staff members who would rather chew the cud and just simply talk about issues without addressing them. However:
Quote:
all the staff do, is give their lofty unwarranted opinions
...is painting every single member of the staff with a pretty broad brush. It's tactless, and I'm sure you are not trying to imply that every staff member wants to do nothing but hide in the staff forums and whine. Unfortunately, this is what you said, and as an ex-staff member it is unfair and unwarranted to cast that kind of aspersion (intended or not) on current staff.

You did good work while you were here, but you were not the last of a dying breed - many of us do spend a lot of time on our sites and our community, and I would like to think that our sites reflect it.

 #26 - okay to reiterate - 09-18-2009 at 11:32
IKS_Yo_Mama
From: (New York City)
Joined: February 5th, 2005
Posts: 3497
Apologies to the minority of site staff who actually work hard, and it is a really small minority and you know who you are but I stand firm in what I said - You need Ronnie back. Swallow your pride and beg him to come back. Ronnie and Jos together again working on problems is the only way to fix the network. Jos can't spend the time to do it all on his own and Ronnie has worked closely with Jos for years and knows the system just as good as Jos so get the dutchman back.

That's all I have to say on the matter.

 #27 - 09-18-2009 at 12:45
Digz (Staff)
From: (London)
Joined: March 26th, 2006
Posts: 1090
Quote:
You need Ronnie back

QFT.

 #28 - 09-18-2009 at 12:51
lindalashomb
From: (n.y.)
Joined: October 16th, 2007
Posts: 29
stop complaining and let the staff do their jobs.Suck it up and stop whining.Keep up the good work all staff members.

 #29 - 09-18-2009 at 12:58
agent56k
From: (Batesville Indiana)
Joined: October 6th, 2008
Posts: 15
Well on the bright side at least the server hasn't gone completely!
Rock rock on network Techies! Rock

 #30 - 09-18-2009 at 13:27
tj_hawk
From:
Joined: March 3rd, 2008
Posts: 415
like how it almost did last time....god that was a complete nightmare

 #31 - @27 - 09-18-2009 at 13:59
computernerd (Staff)
From:
Joined: August 24th, 2007
Posts: 1578
What happened to Ronnie?

 #32 - 09-18-2009 at 14:07
Authuran
From: (Narnia)
Joined: September 26th, 2005
Posts: 501
*facepalm*

Some of you guys are not getting that you get everything on this network for free and therefore there isn't a legion of super high tech kids wired into the Internet like some "Monthly Membership Fee" sites have. Roll Eyes (sarcastic)

So really, I can't believe some of you would say that they don't work on it ; if you've been around here for more than a month you would be able to tell that this is a very responsible network and not at all lazy. If there's a bug, they're working on it. Things will break and this just happens to be a time when a couple things are breaking at once.

Also, only one individual is working on the codes, not the entire network staff, so don't tell us to get our acts together if we're not doing anything wrong. Infact it's hard for us, since we can't post files and therefore make it hard for us to do our job.

 #33 - #32 - 09-18-2009 at 14:26
IKS_Yo_Mama
From: (New York City)
Joined: February 5th, 2005
Posts: 3497
Really now? Really?

I have been on the network staff since late 2005, up until July of this year. I worked on 7 different sites - 3 of those as main admin, one as a vice-admin and 2 as a general staff member. Not to mention on the forums as a moderator of two forums so I know what I am talking about. Digz is also around this network for a long time so don't give me the run down on "if only you knew". I still to this day have people who show me what is being discussed in the private forums so don't think I don't know what I am talking about because I do.

 #34 - 09-18-2009 at 14:29
Authuran
From: (Narnia)
Joined: September 26th, 2005
Posts: 501
I'm not talking about you.

 #35 - 09-18-2009 at 14:51
IKS_Yo_Mama
From: (New York City)
Joined: February 5th, 2005
Posts: 3497
Well I am the one criticizing most of the staff specifically the administration so yeah you are talking about me.

 #36 - 09-18-2009 at 14:54
Mikouen
From: (Hull)
Joined: July 18th, 2008
Posts: 219
Let's not pick any fights, ladies and gentlemen.

 #37 - An apology and some other stuff - 09-18-2009 at 15:53
thunderfoot007
Joined: January 30th, 2009
Posts: 102
Hmmm... looks like I placed some really big burrs under some pretty expensive saddles. Been reading all of the Comments with the Staff tags attached to the names. Good stuff. First, thank you for explaining the problems in a little more detail. Next, I'd like to point out to Digz nothing in my previous Comment was directed at him/her as a personal attack. I apologize, Digz, if it was taken this way, because this was not my intent. I allowed my frustration at the situation to over ride my good manners. I am not excusing my behavior, merely explaining it.

I would also like to point out I am very far from the profile of a typical FF member. At 47 years of age, a senior instructor/trainer at a vocational- technical college, a former US Army M1A1 Abrams Master Gunner, and a combat vet, I really doubt I am a 'typical' anything. I do understand well the technical and financial aspects of running a site such as FF. I was staff on some long defunct game websites back when 28.8Kpbs connections and 486-25Mhz computers were considered cutting edge technology. Now I know a little bit more and understand it better, I can be a little more patient and go along with the usual hiccups and glitches which occur with a project of this magnitude and nature.

What I find distressing is the automatic assumption by some I know nothing at all, am too stupid to understand it if someone did explain it, and cannot be told anything more than, "This is broken. We're working on it." I do not mind at all the implied disrespect towards my intelligence and reasoning capabilities in this attitude. As a soldier and then a teacher I've learned quickly to develop a very thick hide. I do very much mind this thing when it is directed towards others whom are also members here. The explanations posted by Staff previous to this Comment are detailed enough to allow me to make up my own mind people involved in this are truly doing their best. Currently, these problems seems to have them at a disadvantage but they apparently are trying hard to solve them. I believe they will do so eventually. The explanations are adequate and I am satisfied. Perhaps if the explanations had been this detailed when the original news item was posted a large part of the discontent displayed here could have been avoided. But to assume I, and other members, are not smart enough to understand all the details as laid out above is incorrect.

 #38 - Humm? - 09-18-2009 at 15:53
MuchTooLearnUSH
Joined: January 3rd, 2008
Posts: 434
Interesting debate/conversation!

From my perspective,...I'm glad the issue are being worked and, I'm grateful this Web site is still in existence!!!

As Yoda would say,...patience...you must (have) patience...

 #39 - 09-18-2009 at 16:07
Chrissstrahl
From: (Ulm)
Joined: October 29th, 2006
Posts: 1019
well, we still have activity, and there for hope big grin

 #40 - File system just broken now?! - 09-18-2009 at 16:25
Sergeant_Kelly
From:
Joined: August 21st, 2005
Posts: 28
I've had a file 'queued' for review for 5 months now. It's been 5 months and I've gotten no response at all about the file.

Where the heck is everybody?

 #41 - 09-18-2009 at 17:35
dretzel
From: (PA)
Joined: October 22nd, 2008
Posts: 156
No file would be in the queue five months. Did you check your e-mail? It may have been rejected. If not, it fell victim to another bug and needs resubmitted. Communicate to the staff on your site, I'm sure they'll help. smile

 #42 - 09-19-2009 at 00:13
GjBob
From: (Erba)
Joined: June 30th, 2009
Posts: 2
What to do to post a new map?

 #43 - Positives - 09-19-2009 at 03:00
Jazzey
From: (Hertfordshire)
Joined: October 29th, 2006
Posts: 48
I've been here for too long now..can't give an exact number of years, but it's atleast 4. And I for one, am glad to see this topic to be honest. It's the most healthy debate I've seen on this site for over a year.

Anyway, staff who can, please get on with fixing the multiple problems, and leave the arguements for those not in a position to help technically.

Also, instead of complaining, it might help if some of you guys (members), while waiting, came up with ideas to try and boost the population once everythings fixed. Some kind of advertising/competitions you could post about on some other forums - I donno, I'm not too good at that sort of stuff myself to be honest.

 #44 - 09-19-2009 at 04:26
Pille
From:
Joined: July 22nd, 2002
Posts: 1836
I believe we tried to express this before, those people you see here with a "FileFront Network Staff" tag or, depending who commented and from which site you're visiting, a "SiteName Staff" tag have little to no technical influence to the site they are maintaining. We do not have the ability or even the options available to fix any of the mentioned technical problems, only the content like files, news and info pages is maintained by us.

So in response to Jazzey, nobody who is able to fix the problems has replied or debated here because they are already working on the problem, we are only trying to help by explaining things. I agree though that this debate, as long as personal grudges are being kept out of it, is indeed very healthy. smile

 #45 - 09-19-2009 at 05:08
Darth_shan
From: (Goes)
Joined: February 22nd, 2008
Posts: 64
They're doing all they can (i hope)

 #46 - 09-19-2009 at 11:34
Avon
From:
Joined: June 28th, 2005
Posts: 136
well, i can only echo other people's concerns really. Having been coming here for around 7 years, i've never seen anything quite like this before. What's more worrying is that the last lot of issues from around 6 moths ago still have not been fixed, and the list of bugs seems to be growing. I'm sure someone is working their **** off to resolve things, but i'm rapidly loosing confidence.
What's even worse is my staff tell me they cant even log into the e.mail for uploading files, so this is a poor solution offered. :-(

 #47 - ENOUGH! - 09-19-2009 at 20:11
FallenGraces
From: (Pennsylvania, USA)
Joined: July 6th, 2008
Posts: 150
Look this is a freaking train wreck...ON ALL SIDES! Yes i agree with Thunderfoot (as i usually do) on some of his points...some

1) IKS was correct in all areas. After all, he was Staff around here for a long time. If current Staff and Network are upset by what he posted the shoe must fit very well.
-Well i disagree here we've all been tested for months waiting for the day were we get a news post statin' that "Hey we all done and guess what things work!"
but IKS WAS staff as in he no longer is so he might not be privileged to some of the newer inner workings of FF

2) Stop breaking stuff.
3) Stop making lots of public excuses about stuff which is broken.
4) Stop complaining publicly about people complaining publicly about stuff which is broke unless you've fixed it and no one has noticed.
5) Start repairing stuff which is broken right now.
6) Don't break new stuff.

 #48 - ...dang mouse... - 09-19-2009 at 20:19
FallenGraces
From: (Pennsylvania, USA)
Joined: July 6th, 2008
Posts: 150
sorry for the 2x post my mouse had a stroke and went insane...wasnt supposed to post that last one...any way continuing...

2) Stop breaking stuff
- Please

3) Stop making lots of public excuses about stuff which is broken.
-Follow point 2 and point 3 becomes mute

4) Stop complaining publicly about people complaining publicly about stuff which is broke unless you've fixed it and no one has noticed.
-I have to agree the more you post about broken crap the more depressing this situation gets

5) Start repairing stuff which is broken right now.
-Yeah....please

6) Don't break new stuff.
-lol agreed

Btw Tf and IKS have a lil more room to moan and groan than others of you...please don't post just to say how bad the staff sucks...it makes them *****ed, make you look like an***** and just bothers me. Especially those of you that have;t done anything for the community...you rarely post, you dont submit material, and usually have nothing constructive to say about mods.

To staff...please to breaking stuff....please Cry


no doubt there is gonna be some kind of debate from this

 #49 - 09-19-2009 at 22:59
Authuran
From: (Narnia)
Joined: September 26th, 2005
Posts: 501
Quote:
2) Stop breaking stuff.

What the... do you not get what a bug is?

Quote:
5) Start repairing stuff which is broken right now.

Whaddya think is happening? The tech guy is just drinking beer and watching Borat?


Quote:
4) Stop complaining publicly about people complaining publicly about stuff which is broke unless you've fixed it and no one has noticed.

I'm complaining about people telling us to fix it. Network Staff cannot do anything at all to fix this. Sorting out errors and bugs is completely up to the tech guy.

 #50 - Ugh. - 09-20-2009 at 00:00
dretzel
From: (PA)
Joined: October 22nd, 2008
Posts: 156
All right, let's go at it one at a time.

1) IKS was correct in all areas.
He was misinformed about some things. Read Mikouen's post. (#18)

2) Stop breaking stuff.
Yeah, I'm sure the techies have been taking sledgehammers to the servers on their lunch breaks. I'm willing to bet that you have no idea how to code, otherwise you wouldn't say something so ignorant.

3) Stop making lots of public excuses about stuff which is broken.
This news post is not an excuse - it is a notification so that you use the old submission system for a bit. Did you even read it?

4) Stop complaining publicly about people complaining publicly about stuff which is broke unless you've fixed it and no one has noticed.
So you're telling the network staff to shut up just because you want your say, and we can't have ours? That's highly insulting. The staff are the ones powering the individual sites, and we all know way more than you do about this.

5) Start repairing stuff which is broken right now.
How insulting. They are working on it. Surely you don't think they enjoy watching things fall apart.

6) Don't break new stuff.
This is the most insulting part of all. Again, I'm willing to bet you don't code.


Drop the list already...It doesn't even make sense. Poor Jos is completely flooded with who knows how many weeks/months of work, and all people are doing is asking for FF management to crack a whip over him and make him go faster. You should see the list of things he has already fixed. Your eyes would probably fall out of their sockets.

 #51 - 09-20-2009 at 02:37
Pille
From:
Joined: July 22nd, 2002
Posts: 1836
Seriously, before people write these things up, do you actually read what we reply to your questions? This is no longer a healthy debate but simply a who-is-to-blame sprinkled with a fair bit of misinformation that could easily be avoided by asking for facts first.

Like Dretzel, I find the comment "Don't break new stuff" very insulting towards both the network staff and the technicians. Coding an entire network is an incredibly complex procedure, and the only reason why we even have someone again to fix it after Ziff Davis left us in the dust is that Jos volunteered to help out another time.

Nobody of us Network staff are here to make any kind of excuses, we are informing you so you know what is going on. We don't do that because we are too lazy to fix anything - which as I stated a few times above we can not do - but because we want to have it easier for both you and us. If you don't like it, go on and ignore these kind of items, I bet you would be the first to spam the site admin's mail adress as soon as a file is in queue for more than a day or rejected.

So drop this god damn list, we do not run around with axes in the server rooms as soon as nobody is watching, we are trying to get a network back into a working condition. If you want to blame us for that, you can as well tell us to abandon all our sites so no content will get posted ever again.

Happy thinking.

 #52 - 09-20-2009 at 02:52
Jazzey
From: (Hertfordshire)
Joined: October 29th, 2006
Posts: 48
OK..so posting here for staff to read isn't wasting the time of somone in a position to fix things?

If that's the case, then just how many tech guys are there? So we can have some sort of picture of how long this will take. By the sounds of it it seems like there is only one, lol which I know can't be the case.....can it?

 #53 - 09-20-2009 at 04:17
Mikouen
From: (Hull)
Joined: July 18th, 2008
Posts: 219
There's a whole tech department, but since the Ziff Davis split and the subsequent need to practically restart FileFront's entire revenue stream, it's my understanding that there's less now than before.

Quote:
1) IKS was correct in all areas.
He was misinformed about some things. Read Mikouen's post. (#18)

Well, in fairness to him he only got the part about Jos wrong, and you can't really flag him for that since Jos only came back after IKS left, and has since kept his head down.

Quote:
What's even worse is my staff tell me they cant even log into the e.mail for uploading files, so this is a poor solution offered. :-(
All of the webmails are working just fine. For a $3000 piece of mailserver software I should darn well hope so too.... The likely thing preventing staff from logging in is not having the credentials.

I'll point this out to an NA later and have them mail the details to the site managers for them to pass on, just to make sure. You're right, having a Plan B is pretty pointless if most of the network staff aren't reading the same playbook.

 #54 - 09-20-2009 at 04:40
Pille
From:
Joined: July 22nd, 2002
Posts: 1836
@ Jazzey: hfx_rebel is a FileFront Network administrator and therefor just like us other network staffers basically a content manager. His tasks differ from ours in terms of staff administration and that he's responsible for other areas such as the network insider, but he is as little in a position to fix things as everyone else here is.

About part 2 of your question, I am not sure about the exact number but if you exclude Jos/Pro-Filer who does this on a volunteer's base and only for the network, the last number in my head is 3 paid technicians. This is for the FileFront main page as well as all its sub-sites together.

 #55 - 09-20-2009 at 05:03
Digz (Staff)
From: (London)
Joined: March 26th, 2006
Posts: 1090
To be honest, this is a good discussion, I feel like members are understanding more of what we as staff actually do, and we have NOTHING to do with fixing bugs or anything like that.

Thunderfoot, no apology needed, it was a simple misunderstanding and different use of words that we both got wrong wink

Also FallenGraces, please read ALL of the posts above, not just the ones that you think are correct. It seems that you've missed out on every single staffers post, which is not the wisest thing to do.

I'm not going to go through all of your list, as it would merely repeat what I wrote before and what other staffers have just wrote before me. The only point that I am going to reply to is this one:

1)Don't break stuff

I am seriously getting annoyed with people saying that, how can you intentionally break something when 99% of staff don't have access to the raw code, and it's never changed anyway. It's the same principle as if your car broke down without any warning, you can't tell yourself to not to break your car, it just happens!

 #56 - 09-20-2009 at 06:40
Chalkpit
From:
Joined: November 2nd, 2006
Posts: 100
Can anyone (staff) tell me if you received my e-mail with my mod download link? I sent it yesterday to staff@mohfiles.com. Do you check this regularly or do I need to send the link to aonother address?

 #57 - 09-20-2009 at 07:27
FallenGraces
From: (Pennsylvania, USA)
Joined: July 6th, 2008
Posts: 150
...i read all th post in front of mine...if i came along as cocky or arrogant i apologize frown seeing as that was not my intention. I did read all of the staffers post...trust me even if it seems other wise. I did not blame the staff or the admin for the problems and to be honest was just saying how it wasn't cool how people were/are baggin on you guys. Though rereading my post they do come across as the opposite.

BTW take my lil comments added onto TF post with a grain of salt i tried to keep it like a joke...notice the lol. As for the Dont break more stuff part...i found it to be more of a sarcastic comment than a harmful statement. But that is my interpretation where or not TF meant it like that isnt my problem. Also If you look what i said about TF and IKS it matchs to what the admin said.

If this too comes across as snarky im sorry. My sense of humor takes some getting used to stick out tongue

Nothing but Respect to the Admins
Pimp!

 #58 - 09-20-2009 at 08:37
Chalkpit
From:
Joined: November 2nd, 2006
Posts: 100
That's the wrong e-mail in my last post. I sent it to team@mohfiles.com. There should be a link for the download.

 #59 - 09-20-2009 at 10:37
thunderfoot007
Joined: January 30th, 2009
Posts: 102
About Comments 50 and 51. Are these not prime examples of how we are not supposed to act? Since people have made personal Comments about me, I shall address those in turn.

dretzel, please go and find a little thing on A2Files called "The A2 Physics Project." it is a 'simple ODF mod' done by entirely by me. Read it or get someone who plays A2 to explain it to you. After this, you may want to rethink your generalized statement I probably do not know anything about coding. I may not know all of the ins and outs of the OPs system on the back end of the site, but I am familiar with Tiny Portal, PHP, and a few other things. Heck, I even uploaded fourteen Youtube videos and started a Facebook page all by myself. With no one under twenty five anywhere in sight. Some say they've seen me tie my own shoes all by myself as well. But these are legends and not really true.

Pille, God's last name is not "damn". I would greatly appreciate it if in the future you did not use vulgarity, obscenity or profanity in your Comments aimed in my general direction. I find such language unnecessary, inappropriate, and highly offensive. This is supposed to be a family friendly site, is it not? Had I posted such language, I am very, very sure I would have recieved at least a stiff warning by now. Possibly a ban as well. I really should ask Mikouen to have you print a public apology for such language but since you showed up here after I got the answers I wanted, I think I will let it slide.

Yup, my original Comment was worded a little less tactfully than it should have been. However, it got the desired result in that additional information was brought forth about how things are done behind the scene and why everything is taking so long and whom is responible for what and why. In case anyone has not noticed, this was what I wanted and as I made clear in my second Comment, I was satisfied that things were being done to correct the situation and prevent such things from happening in the future. Assuming the members do not need to know anything or they are simply too dumb to understand the more technical aspects of running something like FileFront is a mistake. Assuming we do not care to know such things is also a mistake.

 #60 - 09-20-2009 at 11:49
Pille
From:
Joined: July 22nd, 2002
Posts: 1836
Considering that I am atheistic trying to put me into any kind of religious border is pointless. Also, I do not know what administrators you have made your experience with but I do not ban people for using a direct tone in their comments as long as it stays within reasonable limits.

Now, although I understand why you may have taken it that way, my comment was not directed at you as the original author of said list, but at the person repeating it after you got your desired answers, which you stated.

Also, I am not trying to imply that you do not understand the technical aspects of a network, or that you don't care to know more about them. The point you were completly mistaken about was:

Quote:
I truly doubt anyone with the Staff or Network tag after their name will be able to resist chastising me about this Comment. Is this not time which could be better used by repairing FF. Little less chat and a lot more action would satisfy here.

First of all, demanding less "chat" and yet "more information" at the same time is a little contradicting itself. And second, as it was pointed out numerous times by other staff members and myself, we are here to answer your questions because the technical aspects of the network are beyond our control.

On a last note, before you try to make Mikouen to have me print anything, we both work on completly different sites and are on the same userlevel, meaning that he has as little authority over me as I'd have over him. If you feel a complaint about me or my choice of words is in order you can direct them at network@filefront.com where a network administrator will look into the case.

 #61 - 09-20-2009 at 15:59
Authuran
From: (Narnia)
Joined: September 26th, 2005
Posts: 501
Quote:
I truly doubt anyone with the Staff or Network tag after their name will be able to resist chastising me about this Comment. Is this not time which could be better used by repairing FF. Little less chat and a lot more action would satisfy here.

When did we suddenly become Post Nazis? You actually have to have standards to be a staff, and I'm sure no staff would just edit your post because they don't like it, unless it was breaking a rule.

 #62 - Friendly Reminder - 09-20-2009 at 17:51
fhmadmikey
From: (Heanor, Derby)
Joined: September 4th, 2008
Posts: 70
Please keep the use of flaming and insults/personal attacks to a minimum, thanks.

 #63 - 09-20-2009 at 18:14
dretzel
From: (PA)
Joined: October 22nd, 2008
Posts: 156
Quote:
dretzel, please go and find a little thing on A2Files called "The A2 Physics Project." it is a 'simple ODF mod' done by entirely by me. Read it or get someone who plays A2 to explain it to you. After this, you may want to rethink your generalized statement I probably do not know anything about coding. I may not know all of the ins and outs of the OPs system on the back end of the site, but I am familiar with Tiny Portal, PHP, and a few other things. Heck, I even uploaded fourteen Youtube videos and started a Facebook page all by myself. With no one under twenty five anywhere in sight. Some say they've seen me tie my own shoes all by myself as well. But these are legends and not really true.
What does fourteen youtube videos and a facebook page have to do with anything...?

I know you were pawning for information, I read the responses. But someone else took the list as gold and repeated it, and I didn't want to see that list parading around the network. That's what #50 was about.

The list itself was somewhat ignorant, but when someone completely ignorant repeats it and other people take up the chant, it's not a pretty sight. I figured it's better to try and shoot it down before it spreads, y'know?

 #64 - 09-20-2009 at 18:59
IKS_Yo_Mama
From: (New York City)
Joined: February 5th, 2005
Posts: 3497
*Post Edited&

Your opinions are not welcome here.

Stop acting like you still run sites, because you really don't, no matter how much you want to.

-Paul
FileFront Co-Network Manager

 #65 - 09-20-2009 at 19:51
Arron_Dominion
Joined: May 18th, 2005
Posts: 454
2 cents:

From the view of us users, we want something to work and to be fixed quickly. Realistically, not all of that is possible, but no reports on the issues and then to find out that another issues is into the fray, it raises questions about what is really going on here.

I have to agree with IKS on many points he has brought up.

I have loved Filefront, not as much now as I did, and really want to continue to use it. The issues are a bit much now, despite the existence of this after the fiasco earlier the year to be a miracle.

/2 cents

 #66 - 09-20-2009 at 19:57
thecheeseman
Joined: February 25th, 2008
Posts: 354
Quote:
No one cares. No one wants to DO anything except chat and chat and chat. And All of the chatting is about afixing blame and evading accountability. FACT.

To staff - ask yourself this, why is there a new network affilates menu on the right menu? why are Bluehost, gameapollo and Exiled Gamers there? What purpose do they serve. Can you guys not put one and one together to make two? You have to start asking the tough questions, the staff that don't lick the admins balls and pander to their power-tripping are ignored? why? Jesus Christ people, time to make a damn stand


I have been on staff since 2006, but have really kept to CoDFiles and not strayed into bigger issues, but here goes. I care. I WANT to fix CoDFiles' problems with CoD4/CoD5 sites. I want to. I really do. Our site has been broken for nearly a year, but I stopped complaining about it. Why? It doesn't help anything.

I agree that things are going slow. I think they should be faster, but there is nothing I can do about it. Bugging the hell out of Jeff or Jos won't get them to work harder. They're working their butts off.

 #67 - 09-20-2009 at 19:57
Mikouen
From: (Hull)
Joined: July 18th, 2008
Posts: 219
Debate? No, let's not patronise anyone by attempting to call that comment "debate".

 #68 - 09-20-2009 at 20:01
Mr.Funsocks (Staff)
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